Is the Men's Movement still alive or barely breathing?

topic posted Tue, December 21, 2004 - 7:21 PM by  Bernie D
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I am a member of a men's group in the Los Angeles area. We are named The Lone Wolf Pack. It has been in existance for 15 yrs.

This group is patterned after other Men's groups that sprung up as a result of the Men's Movement, described and concieved by Robert Bly and Michael Meade, authors such as George Taylor, author of Talking With Our Brothers, Bill Kauth's A Circle of Men and Wayne Liebrnan's Tending the Fire: The Ritual Men's Group.

I personaly know of only one other Men's group in Los Angeles. Some of the elders in the LWP have mentioned a few others that they knew about in other areas of California and the US, but are not sure if they are still in existance. Some of these groups are more about Native American issues than they are about the Men's Movement in general.

Do other men's groups still exist?

Are you in one of them?

Is the Men's Movememt all but dead now?

Please, share with us your knoweldge, experience, and any information about the status of the Men's Movement at this point in history.


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Bernie D
Los Angeles
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    I have absolutely no idea what the Men's Movement is, so I suppose my initial response would be, 'barely breathing'.

    What is the purpose of the movement, as you see it?
    • The Men's Movement works to inspire every man to be the man he has always wanted to be. We create a setting where honor, selflessness, commitment, integrity, trust, and learning give men the wisdom and courage to serve all men, women, and children.

      The group I am in meets weekly. We meet in a teepee in the back yard of one of the members. We practice several Native American rituals, do differing types of facilitations each week. Pray, talk, laugh, drum, cry, box, check in, process, give support and critisim. We have a code of conduct.

      This group is patterned after other Men's groups that sprung up as a result of the Men's Movement, described and concieved by Robert Bly and Michael Meade, authors such as George Taylor, author of Talking With Our Brothers, Bill Kauth's A Circle of Men and Wayne Liebrnan's Tending the Fire: The Ritual Men's Group.

      We strive to break down the stereotypical modes of thinking and behaviour that society has told us (trained us) is the norm for men, such as, men dont cry, men are strong and don't show their emotions, men must fix all their problems by themselves, men don't share, men are not vulnerable, our thoughts are bad and should be hidden.

      Men are from Mars. Women are from Venus. We meet here on Earth and mix, but when we need help, we need to go home.

      Men and women ARE different. We think differently. We are hard wired differently. That is why I need a Men's group to work on issues that are Men's issues. A woman might be able to be sympathetic to men's issues, but not have a real understanding about them, or be able to identify with them. The same is true in reverse.

      Why did I want to join a Men's group? The main reason is that I did not have a very good relationship with my father. He worked a lot, and taught me very little while having many expectations of me. I had no good male role models or mentors growing up. In the men's Movement, I have found many positive role models and mentors. And, in turn, I now have become a role model and mentor other men.

      What else do you want to know?
  • I'd say the men's movement as you describe is on critical life support. Most men don't see the value of such a group unles they have been exposed to it, and seen positive value from participating.

    I was part of a small group in the bay area, until we lost crictical mass by several members moving away (myself included). I've thought about finding or creating a group near where I live, but now luck so far. It does seem very difficult to find a core starting group to create enough interest, energy, and positive results. Its hard enough opening to group where you have build some rapore, let alone, all starting as strangers.

    In my experience, so much of the holistic or (new age) movement is full of flakes or people looking for any easy out, it drives off that could help organize and maintain groups. Some of the ideals are good, but the implentation has problems.
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      I agree,

      I think it is a little off-putting to some about meeting in a teepee and crying, screaming, beating a drum. I think the emphasis should be on men being men and fighting against the femininzation of them.
      • Joaquin,

        lol, we dont do all of that every meeting. Tears are not a very common occurance.

        And the thing is, all those things you mentioned ARE part of men being men.

        We don't fight against the feminization of men, it is just not something we are interested in or embrace.

        If sa man is offput by those things, perhaps that man doesn't belong in a men's group, or at least, not the kind of men's group I belong to. There all all kinds of men's groups, some more intense, some more social, some are focused on Men's rights and politics, some more towards business success.

        Find what works for you.
    • I would agree with much of your post. Most men have no exposure to this kind of thing. I know that some churches or temples try and make this sort of thing happen, but I assume there is a religious component to them. I don't really know.

      I have recently found a few online resources that look interesting. I will report on them when I have checked them out more fully.

      I think one thing that made the group I belong to possible is that it was made up from guys in recovery. Most of the members through out the history were in recovery. As far as I know, only 2 have not been, but they had attended anay of the retreats.

      People in recovery, that are actively working on it, tend to be more enthusiastic about becoming better humans. So they are more likely to want to become involved, and they already share a common ground with the members.
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        So the Men's Movement is filled with a bunch of drunks who'll do anything to have a group of people to cry with? Sounds great.
        • ex-drunks..actually..ex-pot heads
          • I think that the Men's Movement is going through a process of redefinition. It may have had its roots in a combination of the self help movement and the women's movement but it is currently struggling in the way the general public sees the men's movement. In the view of the general public, the Men's Movement is groups of men gathering together to discuss men's issues (which is vaguely defined) and participate in rituals that promote men's emotional health (which is vaguely defined).

            I'm interested in taking the Men's Movement up a notch but currently am having technical and financial difficulties. Still, keep your eyes on me and on groups I'm involved in because I will be taking some more dynamic actions to change the general public's view of the Men's Movement.
            • over a dozen years ago, we had a group that maintained regular numbers of 40-50 men meeting every tuesday night for drumming, ritual, discussion and other activity.......every other month, we met in the forest to retreat and experience the "Wild Man" weekend.

              in time, drama ensued and broke apart our wonderful group....

              but i can say while it lasted, it was one of the greatest periods of my life...
              • Wow, that is a large group to meet so regularly.

                No involvement in Men's groups since then?

                Did that group break up into smaller groups?

                Are you aware of any other groups in your area now?

                For me too, my involvement in a men's group has been a wonderful and growth filled period in my life.
                • well, a few men formed a small group after it disbanded, and another group had splintered off earlier......actually, it was this splinter group leaving that caused the financial distress that resulted in us losing our lease space.......i hear that group still exists in a very small number, but the other group didn't last long....

                  i have been waiting for the second wind of the men's movement, have tried to get radical faerie friends interested, but no luck so far....i finally decided to start a medicine wheel discussion group, and base it upon the model of the men's movement, but we have yet to have a meeting....i've just gathered a handful of names..

                  but the original group was quite a large one--hundreds of men came through the doors in those few years it existed...
  • Dude, I don't know of any physical men's groups in my area, but then again, I'm a woman so I don't think I'd be invited lol. Anyway, I think there is a very large online mra community, with forums, blogs, and the like. I don't know if you were aware of the whole backlash about the Forbes online article about why you shouldn't marry a career woman. The majority of the groups that I know about participated in the comment posting battle against the femmies, as well as very many men who were new to us.

    Anyway, the tide is starting to turn, and we have to keep the pressure on. I have a blog which lists the links to many of the websites and blogs I'm talking about. awomanagainstfeminism.blogspot.com.
  • The men's movement is not dead! The self-indulgent individualization of North America has cast a huge shadow over providing service to young people. The Mankind Project is building momentum all over and men are waking up to desolate isolated neglect and depression caused by a bondage of patterns that men, wymon and children reaffirm every day. The nuclear family is a joke and people are waking up to this, dots just need to be connected.

    I'm 20. In the next couple of years I want to go to school and do a degree in gender studies, with a specific focus on men's psychology. I just read iron john and have a huge list of books on men's issues that I want to get through this winter. Any suggestions would be warmly welcome.

    I'm in Victoria, BC and there are at least three men's groups here. There is also a men's centre up island and one in Vancouver, I've heard. One thing the men's movement needs a clear distinction from the women's movement. Both parrell, but completely different. Different needs and issues, but same topic.

    Computer time is up.

    Blessings,
    Alex
    • besides all of the known books on men's issues that i read during the official movement, i have recently discovered a wonderful author that has many books on related issues..
      Robert A. Johnson
      He has at least a dozen titles--i just finished 'HE' and found it to be one of the most profound works i have ever read...

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